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birdname
13.12.2005, 00:06
Доброго времени суток всем. Пожалуйста, поделитесь любой информацией и ссылками на какие-либо советы по поведению для родных и близких больных депрессией. Собственно ситуация: человек явно болен (сниженный фон настроения, высказываются суицидальные мысли, жалуется, что нет ни на что сил), но лечиться отказывается, мотивируя это бесперспективностью. Я прекрасно понимаю, что такое свобода воли и добровольное информированное согласие, но близкие уже извелись, что ничего не могут сделать. Не в чай же таблетки подмешивать?!!

Aminazinka
13.12.2005, 04:55
Подмешивать таблетки в чай действительно не надо - можно в тюрьму угодить ненароком. Кем Вы приходитесь пациенту и из чьих уст знаете ситуацию?

yananshs
13.12.2005, 06:42
Надеюсь, модераторы не рассердятся на меня за эту ссылку: [Ссылки могут видеть только зарегистрированные и активированные пользователи]
В крайнем случае, удалите мой пост.

Helping a Friend or Family Member
with Depression or Bipolar Disorder

... If someone you love has a mood disorder, you may be feeling helpless, overwhelmed, confused and hopeless, or you may feel hurt, angry, frustrated and resentful. You may also have feelings of guilt, shame and isolation, or feelings of sadness, exhaustion and fear. All of these feelings are normal. This page will tell you a little about what your family member or friend is going through, and how you can help your loved one and yourself.

Things to remember:

Your loved one’s illness is not your fault (or your loved one’s fault).

You can’t make your loved one well, but you can offer support, understanding and hope.

Each person experiences a mood disorder differently, with different symptoms.

The best way to find out what your loved one needs from you is by asking direct questions.


What can I do to help?

Keep in mind that a mood disorder is a physical, treatable illness that affects a person’s brain. It is a real illness, as real as diabetes or asthma. It is not a character flaw or personal weakness, and it is not caused by anything you or your family member did.

Don’t ask the person to “snap out of it.” Your friend or family member can’t snap out of this illness any more than he or she could overcome diabetes, asthma, cancer or high blood pressure without treatment.
Educate yourself about your loved one’s illness, its symptoms and its treatments. Read brochures and books from DBSA and other dependable sources.

Give unconditional love and support. Offer reassurance and hope for the future.

Don’t try to fix your loved one’s problems on your own. Encourage him or her to get professional help.

Remember that a mood disorder affects a person’s attitude and beliefs. When a person says things like “nothing good will ever happen to me,” “no one really cares about me,” or “I’ve learned all the secrets of the universe,” it’s likely that these ideas are symptoms of the illness. With treatment, your friend or family member can realize that this kind of thinking is not a reflection of reality.
Have realistic expectations of your loved one. He or she can recover, but it won’t happen overnight. Be patient and keep a positive, hopeful attitude.

Take care of yourself so you are able to be there for your loved one. Find support for yourself with understanding friends or relatives, in therapy of your own, or at a DBSA support group.

What can I do to make sure my loved one gets good treatment?

Encourage your loved one to seek treatment. Explain that treatment is not personality-altering and can greatly help to relieve symptoms. Help him or her prepare for health care provider appointments by putting together a list of questions. Offer to go along to health care appointments.

With permission, talk to your loved one’s health care provider(s) about what you can do to help.

Encourage or help your loved one to get a second opinion from another health care provider if needed.

Help him or her keep records of symptoms, treatment, progress and setbacks in a journal or Personal Calendar.

Help him or her stick with the prescribed treatment plan. Ask if you can help by giving medication reminders.


How can I help someone who has symptoms of depression?

Depression may cause someone to have feelings of unbearable sadness, guilt, worthlessness and hopelessness. The person does not want to feel this way, but can’t control it.

Make sure the person’s doctor knows what is happening, and ask if you can help with everyday tasks such as housekeeping, running errands, or watching children. Help your loved one try to stick to some sort of daily routine, even if he or she would rather stay in bed. Spend quiet time together at home if he or she does not feel like talking or going out. Keep reminding your loved one that you are there to offer support.


It can be helpful to say things like:

“I’m here for you.”

“I care.”

“I may not understand your pain, but I can offer my support.”

“You are a worthwhile person and you mean a lot to me.”

“Your brain is lying to you right now, and that is part of the illness.”

“Don’t give up. You can get through this.”


How can I help someone during a manic episode?

Remember that mania may cause a person to believe things that aren’t true, make big plans or life changes, spend money to excess, or do other things that may be dangerous. Sometimes a person might be more outgoing or enthusiastic during early stages of mania. Do your best to keep your loved one from doing things that might be harmful. Urge him or her to put off any plans to start a big project, spend a lot of money, drive a long distance, or anything that sounds dangerous to you. Keep in mind that he or she may insist that everything is under control. You may need to ask other friends, family members or mental health professionals to intervene and help keep your loved one safe.

Encourage your loved one to see a doctor as soon as possible. Don’t make demands, threats or ultimatums unless you are fully prepared to follow through with them. Keep yourself safe. If your loved one becomes abusive, call a friend, a family member, a mental health professional.


What if I think the person might be considering suicide?

If the person is threatening suicide right then and there, or is in immediate danger, take him or her to a hospital or emergency room immediately. Don’t try to handle a crisis alone... get help from other friends or family members.

Take any threats or casual mentions of death or suicide seriously. Don’t assume the person is just trying to get attention.

Encourage your friend or family member to hold on, and help him or her get professional help right away.

Don’t promise that you will keep your loved one’s thoughts or plans a secret. You may need to tell a doctor or family member in order to save your loved one’s life.
Find out if the person has a plan. Talking about suicide will not plant the idea in a person’s mind. He or she may welcome the chance to talk.

Offer your help. Offer to listen...

...Let your loved one know his or her life is important to you and others. Remind the person that suicidal thoughts are a symptom of a treatable illness.

Make sure your friend or family member cannot get hold of any type of weapons, large quantities of medication, or anything else that might be dangerous.


yananshs
13.12.2005, 06:45
What if hospitalization is necessary?

Sometimes, when symptoms of depression or mania become severe, it’s necessary for a person to be hospitalized. This might seem scary at first, but the safe, controlled environment of the hospital can help the person return to stability.

If you think your loved one might benefit from a hospital stay, find out all you can about local hospitals and the inpatient and outpatient services they offer. Try to do this before a crisis. Find out if his or her insurance or Medicare/Medicaid covers hospitalization, and if not, find out about community or state-run facilities.

If your loved one is open to doing so, suggest discussing the possibility of hospitalization with a doctor before the need arises, and making a list of preferred hospitals, medications and treatment methods for use in a crisis.

While your loved one is hospitalized, be supportive by visiting frequently and bringing comforting or familiar items. Ask the staff questions; if they don’t have the answers, find someone at the hospital who does. Don’t be afraid to be assertive about making sure your loved one receives the best treatment. Keep records of the people you talk to and when.


How can I support someone during outpatient treatment?

When your friend or family member begins seeing a doctor or therapist, show that you support the decision to seek treatment and ask how you can be most helpful. Learn about your loved one’s symptoms. Each person needs different kinds of help keeping symptoms under control. Learn about medications and what side effects to expect.

Some people find it helpful to write down mania prevention and suicide prevention plans, and give copies to trusted friends and relatives. These plans should include:

A list of symptoms that might be signs the person is becoming manic or suicidal.

Things you or others can do to help when you see these symptoms.

A list of helpful phone numbers, including health care providers, family members, friends and a suicide crisis line...

A promise from your friend or family member that he or she will call you, other trusted friends or relatives, one of his or her doctors, a crisis line or a hospital when manic or depressive symptoms become severe.

Encouraging words such as “My life is valuable and worthwhile, even if it doesn’t feel that way right now.”

“Reality checks” such as, “I should not make major life decisions when my thoughts are racing and I’m feeling ‘on top of the world’. I need to stop and take time to discuss these things with others before going through with them.”


How long will it take before the person feels better?

Some people are able to stabilize quickly after starting treatment; others take longer and need to try several treatments, medications or medication combinations before they feel better. Talk therapy can be helpful for managing symptoms during this time.

If your friend or family member is facing treatment challenges, the person needs your support and patience more than ever. Education can help you both find out all the options that are available and decide whether a second opinion is needed. Help your loved one to take medication as prescribed, and don’t assume the person isn’t following the treatment plan just because he or she isn’t feeling 100% better.


What about me?

It is important to take care of yourself, and it is normal for you to have symptoms of stress, anxiety or depression when someone you care about is ill. It’s important for you to build your own support system of people who will listen to you and be concerned about your well-being, including friends, relatives, and possibly a doctor or therapist. You might think your problems are minor in comparison to what your loved one is coping with, but that doesn’t mean you are any less deserving of help and comfort.

Take time out for yourself, and make time to do things that relax you and things you enjoy. You will be best able to support the person you care about when you are healthy, rested and relaxed.


What about the children in the family?

Children are affected by a family member’s bipolar disorder or depression, even if they don’t understand exactly what is happening. It’s important to spend time with children, explain the situation and encourage them to share their feelings and questions. Talk to children at a level they can understand. Younger children might be satisfied with “Mommy (or other relative) doesn’t feel good right now but is getting help to feel better.” Older children may be given educational materials and encouraged to learn about bipolar disorder or depression and how they can help their parent(s). Reassure children that there will be someone to take care of them. Parents should apologize to children for any hurtful things they may have said or done during an episode of mania or depression. Let children know their parent is working to keep these things from happening again.


What about intimacy issues?

Mood disorders can place a strain on intimate relationships, because of sexual indiscretions that may happen during manic episodes or lack of sexual interest that may occur during depressive episodes. Some medications may also cause sexual side effects that can be frustrating for both partners. Your loved one may want to talk to the doctor about switching medications if sexual side effects become troublesome. Counseling for the two of you can also be helpful.


What can I do when my child is ill?

Patience and understanding are especially important when a child is ill. Children with bipolar disorder often have different symptoms than adults do, and are more likely to switch quickly from manic symptoms to depressive symptoms. Make sure you have a doctor who understands mood disorders in children, and is able to spend time discussing your child’s treatment. Communicate to your child that there is hope - you and the doctors are working on a solution that will help him or her feel better. Explain your child’s disorder to siblings on a level they can understand. Suggest ways they can help. Seek family counseling if necessary. It is also helpful to network with other parents whose children have a mood disorder.

With the assistance of your child’s mental health care provider, help your child learn relaxation techniques and use them at home. Teach positive coping strategies to help him or her feel more prepared for stressful situations. Encourage your child to self-express through art, music, writing, play, or any other special gifts he or she has. Provide routine and structure in the home, and freedom within limits. Above all, remember that mood disorders are not caused by bad parenting, and do not blame yourself for your child’s illness.

Children with mood disorders do better in a low-stress, quiet home environment, and with a family communication style that is calm, low-volume, non-critical, and focused on problem-solving rather than punishment or blaming. Stress reduction at school through use of an Individual Educational Plan (IEP) is also very important. Request an evaluation from your child’s school counselor or psychologist to get the process started.

If your child with a mood disorder is an adult, it is important to treat him or her like an adult, even when he or she is not acting like one. As much as you may want to, you may not be able to force your adult child to keep doctor’s appointments or take medications. As with any other family member, keep encouraging treatment and offering your support, but establish boundaries for yourself too, such as not lending money if your adult child seems to be having manic or hypomanic symptoms.


What can I do when an elderly relative is ill?

Mood disorders are not a normal part of aging. You may face additional challenges if an elderly relative is ill and lives far away from you or in an assisted living facility. Stay informed about the treatment your loved one is receiving. Develop a relationship with his or her doctors and the staff at the facility. Your relative may need special help remembering to take medications. Make sure all of his or her doctors communicate if he or she is being treated for multiple illnesses. This is extremely important, since some medications for mood disorders can interact with medications for other illnesses and cause problems.

It may be helpful for you to spend additional time with your elderly relative, or, if that is difficult, meet with other relatives to see if you can take turns visiting or caring for your loved one... [Ссылки могут видеть только зарегистрированные и активированные пользователи]

Aminazinka
13.12.2005, 06:57
хорошо бы это на русский... ну хотя бы суть.

yananshs
13.12.2005, 07:04
Если нужно, переведу все.


Aminazinka
13.12.2005, 12:22
Это было бы чудесно. Тогда, если позволите, мы в Вашем переводе выделим это отдельной темой. Информация очень нужная.

birdname
13.12.2005, 17:35
Кем Вы приходитесь пациенту и из чьих уст знаете ситуацию?
Больная - близкая родственница мужа. Ситуацию в основном знаю от ее детей, по просьбе которых и пишу, однако лично я, разумеется, тоже с ней общалась, и у меня (я врач-кардиолог) тоже складывается впечатление о наличии депрессивного эпизода. В сущности, я легко могла бы найти ей психиатра, однако основная проблема - убедить ее в целесообразности лечения. Ключевые фразы: "лучше мне станет только на том свете" и "давай оставим этот разговор, мне слишком тяжело". :(

birdname
13.12.2005, 17:36
Спасибо огромное, очень хорошая статья.
Если нужно, переведу все.
Если для меня, а не для пользы дела - не надо. Проблем с английским нет.


Aminazinka
13.12.2005, 19:29
Есть ситуации, когда согласие пациента на лечение не требуется. Три основания: 1. опасность для себя и окружающих (суицидальная попытка?) 2. невозможность себя обслуживать (депрессивные пациенты могут в худшем случае просто сутками лежать в кровати) 3. существенной ухудшение состояния при оставлении без психиатрической помощи.
Поэтому актуален вопрос - чем занимается предполагаемая пациентка? Насколько она адекватна и подвижна? В принципе оптимальный вариант - связаться с психиатром, заслуживающим доверие, и описать ситуацию ему. Точно ли это депрессия? Такие вопросы очно решаются быстрее. В принципе, если психиатр заподозрит неладное (при депрессии это суицидальные намерения) - он подскажет, что делать.

birdname
14.12.2005, 13:00
чем занимается предполагаемая пациентка? Насколько она адекватна и подвижна?
Дама 60 лет, уже на пенсии, однако до последнего времени нередко брала подработки на прежней работе и много сидела с внуками. При этом, кстати, домашнее хозяйство велось на образцово-показательном уровне. После смерти мужа (немного больше полугода назад) отказалась как от работы, так и от своих беби-ситтерских обязанностей, предпочитает не выходить из дома, который становится все грязнее и грязнее. Прямых суицидальных намерений вроде не высказывалось, однако часты реплики типа "Моя болезнь называется жизнь".

Aminazinka
14.12.2005, 13:18
Вероятно, стоит быть настойчивее в уговорах обратиться к врачу. Может, стоит выяснить мотивы отказа подробнее. Разговоры вроде "все бесполезно" - симптом депрессии. Но возможны и реальные страхи - получить клеймо "психички", попасть на учет и прочая. Желательно все это проговорить. При бесполезности уговоров придется действовать недобровольно, если ситуация будет становиться хуже. Думаю, с психиатром надо кому-то из прямых родственников переговорить до того, как начинать действовать, чтобы психиатр был готов начать лечить или активизировать механизм недобровольного лечения.


birdname
14.12.2005, 17:13
Вероятно, стоит быть настойчивее в уговорах обратиться к врачу.
Спасибо большое за советы, в общем, все так, как я и предполагала. А нет ли каких-то ноу-хау (типа клишированных фраз и т.д.) с высокой "уговаривательной активностью"?
Например, как бы Вы ответили на реплику типа "Все бесполезно, ничего не изменится"?

Aminazinka
14.12.2005, 22:45
"чувство безнадежности - это симптом депрессии. на самом деле все не так", далее приводится ссылка на успехи современного лечения депрессии.

birdname
15.12.2005, 12:29
Спасибо. Будем стараться уговорить.